Zimmerman Martin Case

i get what you're saying here. definitely crappy judgment on both sides, although only one side paid the ultimate price.

for me, what's upset me the most about this whole thing is the initial tailing of the "suspect". i just don't see any way around it, martin was profiled as suspicious because he's black. the boy was doing nothing but walking. sure, you can say zimmerman's got "black friends" or helped black people. but, i think there's a pattern from zimmerman in the past year before the incident. and i think that pattern is eerily similar to other instances where we've seen african american boys become more 'suspicious' than others.

the last paragraph is one where many people here disagree with me. truthfully, i have not heard anything on this thread that's changed my mind about it. i've experienced this type of racism first hand where i grew up and other places i've spent a lot of time. can i prove it? certainly not. is justice or the fbi going to be able to prove it? no. also certainly, zimmerman is not going to come out and admit it. but i just can't get over the fact that martin was doing nothing. and that upsets me when i think about it--when i think about my own two sons walking down the street (admittedly, not african american).
 
It's rare I change my opinion so quickly, but it does serve to illustrate the MASSIVE gap between what teh media want us to hear and what actually happened

It also shows the US has some of the worst media in the world. All are bias, but not to the insititutional level that we see with the US media
 
I first thought that - but now I see it more of a "youth" vs "middle age" stereotype rather than a racial one

If it had been a white kid in a hoodie doing what Trayvon did I am convinced we would have had the same outcome
 
What if, you grew up with said other race-culture. Even so far as to stay with them, etc., and they have racist remarks, but theyfrown when you return remarks?

Why does it seem like a "one way street"?

The main problem with everything lately is the media constantly airing
 
obviously, the media can obfuscate the issue, and did. i think this is why someone like me can read about the trial and verdict and think "ok, well, based on the facts presented and how the law is applied, yeah sure, the verdict makes sense". if that even makes sense.

but i still see it all starting from a very unjust beginning.
 
Actually, it is the other way around

I've been in the "Race Trenches", I've seen many races-cultures go as far as to hate.

With me, I was hated upon more by either side just for supporting the opposite side. Being called many names not apropriate to say here.
 
Man,

You haven't been around "troubled youths" (Black or White)

I know of many they went up to someone and "cold cocked" them "just for looking their way"

Are you that naive and gullible, or have you not been exposed to these types of indiviudals?

You keep forgetting, why Martin was in that town to begin with.
He was on suspension from trouble at school where his mom had resided.
For some of these "troubled youths" (Black or White), they carry the same trouble "attitude" wherever they go.

People need to stop painting Martin as "Mr. Innocent".
Stop believing the main stream media and starting reading over the facts without a biased approach
I have been with youths like this, some I had "turned-around", others; well either went to jail or got killed
 
lol why are you always so full of accusations and assumptions? I grew up around people in Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, MS-13 and then other wannabe-gangsters in Jersey. I was in the hospital several times from concussions throughout my school years, even had my jaw broken, and much more. People were often shot, stabbed or hung off trees where I went to school.

Lets not resort to petty insults simply because you don't have the intellectual capacity to prove your point without having to accuse people of being "naive" or "gullible".

Please don't speak about this matter as if the right and wrong sides are like black and white (no pun intended), because otherwise, it wouldn't be such a huge national debate in the first place.
 
I'll make sure to raise that up at the next ZOG meeting. I'm sure it was just an oversight.
 
I don't agree with 47martialman, but I think this is a poor argument. We have a national debate on global warming and that's a pretty clear cut issue.
 
Next thing youd be telling me was that you were followed by "creepy crackers" also

So, out of these people you have nevered seen anyone go up to another and "cold cck then just for looking?

So with your "experience", poor little boy Martin would never have done this?

What if I stated that your recent posts were dumbfounded?
Saying that you are naive and gullible is an insult?
My apology if such terms have offended you



No offense, but people still want to paint "Mr Martian" as "Mr Innocent"

The more I read/research, the least likely he was "a boy skipping along with skittles"
 
so what was he doing then?

there has been nothing in the trial or any reports stating that martin was doing anything but walking down the street and looking around. in the 911 call, zimmerman said that martin "looks like he's up to no good" and "it's raining and he's just walking around".
 
it was 47martialman that said that martin was not just some innocent kid "skipping with skittles". i exactly quoted george zimmerman's words from the 911 call. i'm just wondering what information 47martialman has that martin was doing anything but walking, in the rain, with skittles.
 
Your argument is still invalid and highly confrontational, so you should try to tone it down a wee notch, especially if you're going to use words out of context like "dumbfounded".

I had my jaw broken for stepping on someone's new Timberland's by accident. The person waited for me to pass by, put on brass knuckles and swung at me from behind, cracking my mandible from up near where it connects to the skull. I couldn't close my mouth for almost two months.

Another time, some random person that walked by me punched me in the chest. Never saw the guy before. Later I found out it was part of a gang initiation and him and 20 of his friends were waiting for me outside one school entrance. Fortunately my friend noticed and warned me before I walked out that way.

There are tons of more stories but they're irrelevant. The fact that you've resorted to insults simply because I've expressed my disagreement says a lot about you and your personality, or lack thereof. If you find that referring to someone as "naive" or "gullible" isn't offensive, then I'm really not quite sure what else to say to you honestly, other than the fact that you've probably been living on the Internet too long to realize that when speaking with actual people, such speech is considered offensive.

Again, clearly both sides can be argued so lets not act as if there's only one story. You sound like some religious nut that's hellbent (again, no pun intended) on proving that only your religion is the true word of God and no other argument is acceptable.
 
oh, i want to share something else that happened to me over the weekend....

i was hanging out with my wife's family and extended family. one of the more, ahem, conservative members of the family was all "trayvon this, trayvon that, the media, white guilt". finally i just asked "what was trayvon doing other than walking down the street?" and it just escalated like you wouldn't believe (well, maybe you would) where within 5 minutes we're screaming at each other and pointing fingers at each other. he accused me of saying that zimmerman hunted trayvon for sport. i swear to you people, i never said that (just like here!!!)! it was insane!

this issue just really hit a nerve all over america.

and like family, within 5 minutes we're screaming at each other, five minutes later we're both on the couch laughing and watching the usa play el salvador in gold cup play, joking, talking soccer. and we kept saying to each other "they're looking at us to see what we're going to do". which was of course nothing, families sometime scream.
 
I think the biggest points he was trying to make was the only reason why people felt outraged because of Martin's death was because the media told them so in an attempt to boost ratings. He's wondering why the black community aren't outraged every time a young black male is killed. Meanwhile this same media is a proponent of a lot of the negative stereotypes the black community has to face. He urges people to educate themselves and not be led around by the nose.
 
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