Palestenian-Israeli Conflict

If you are classifying white phosphorous as a chemical weapon, are you classifying bullet as chemical weapons? They do use gunpowder you know.

Chemical weapons are things like nerve gas.
 
So, you are saying get rid of both governments and have one government with equal voice for both sides? How will you make it equal on both sides? And if they are equal, do you expect them to get anything done as they will always be locked in dispute?
 
There are no simple short term solutions, and of course what is "right" is always a subjective judgement. Although I see democracy as flawed, I also see it as the best system that anyone's come up with so far. So yes, I think the aim ultimately should be one state, with every adult given an equal say. That's going to take a while because both sides are convinced that God is on their side.
 
I think we both know that solution will not work. Since there are more Palestinians than Jews, the Jews will be outnumbered and relegated to nothingness very quickly.
 
Good, because you'll probably turn blue in the face. What you proved is that deep down, you're insulted by the average American's indifference to your opinion. Moreover, you're wrong. Having lived in several different countries, and visited far more, I have a great respect for many cultures, peoples, and countries, including your own. There's a lot of things we Americans should be learning from people who do certain things, and that list is rather long, better than we do. But it's a mistake to think Americans don't care because they're pompus, etc. We don't care because we genuinely believe other people should and do have more important and immediate things to worry about in their own lives. When most Americans see news bits about how other countries percieve us negatively, we don't sit around and think about what we can do to change their minds because we just really don't understand why they even care. It's unfathomable that people in other countries spend enough time thinking about America to even form an opinion. Most Americans don't care one way or another who the Chancellor of Germany is and they certainly don't worry about what other people will think when they go to the polls to elect our own gov't. To be honest, many Americans feel it's really none of your business. Because most Americans don't care about what goes on in other countries, we just don't understand why you care so much about what goes on in ours. It's your inability to get Americans to care about your opinion that offends you.

While I respect and admire a great many peoples around the world, the Palestinians are not one of them. In my estimation they have been weighed and found wanting. I'm not standing outside the Israeli embassy demanding they bomb them all, but on the other hand, I wouldn't be upset about it if they did. After witnessing Palestinian attrocities over the last 10 years or so, and having studied the historical background of the situation because of what I was seeing, I'm just not capable of any empathy for them.
 
Wow...I laughed when I read this reply.

I love how you look at what one side has done and completely ignore the other side. Do you read what you write? This is obviously a completely biased reply. I'm siding with Johnno on this.

May I ask what historical background you have been looking at?

I'm sorry, but this type of mentality is what I have a problem with. Fortunately, many Americans are not like this; only a fairly decent sized group that is getting smaller and smaller percentage wise as the years pass.
 
You are the problem. Not even the reasonable Israeli's agree with you.

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Refusal_to_serve_in_the_Israeli_military
 
A + A, depleted Uranium is not a nuclear weapon. That is fact. A suicide bomber is not a chemical weapon. Let call a weapon what it is. DU is DU.
Is DU harmful? Probably. Is the US wrong to use it? I don't know but it isn't nuclear weapon. If we used nuclear weapons, there would be no Iraq.

As for the Palestinans. I don't support wiping them out but the PLO and Hamas are terrible organizations who don't have the Palestinians' best interest at hand. Yassar Arafat took alot of aid money to help the people for himself. Hamas just want more violence. How does that help them? The Israelis come back 10x harder.
 
Ahahaha. Who has the Palestinian's best interests at hand then? Israel? The US?
I think you are mistaken. Hamas and the PLO don't have Israel's best interests at hand. That is why you have a problem with them.
 
Hamas and the PLO certainly don't help the Palestinians best interests at hand. Its hard to argue they have done anthing positive. Israel acts in its own interests and they are to defending its right to exist. Israel is a formidable enemy which is willing to agree to terms. They had been willing to move to the 1967 borders brfore the violence broke out.
 
Ever hear the phrase that sometimes when you get what you asked for, it isn't what you wanted? Hamas and the PLO have tried to get something, but have been less than successful. If they really want peace, they will not get what they want until they give up their violence. At this point, I would say Israel is ready to meet them halfway, they have to choose to go halfway too.
 
Don't insinuate that I accused Americans of being pompous bigots, because I didn't. I accused YOU of being a pompous bigot.

If you think that every time I question your puerile opinions that I am projecting them onto Americans in general then either (a) you are deeply paranoid, or else (b) your overbearing self-importance is getting the better of you again.
 
I haven't seen the polls themselves. Most of the news articles relating to Abbas's deadline a few days ago put the figure of Palestinians supporting the two state solution at around 75%. The PLO also support the solution, 2 states under 1967 borders.

That's why Abbas had 'threatened' a referendum if Hamas don't accept the terms. But Hamas are still not dealing, EVEN THOUGH, according to this article, they agree with the solution.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5049346.stm

So to go back to my earlier question: If Israel took the first step and withdrew all settlements and military prescence from one of the occupied territories (i.e. Gaza) would it now not be time for Hamas to renounce violence (thus likely ending the boycott), recognise Israel, and start actually negotiating?
 
'Renouncing violence' is just rhetoric. You might as well demand that Israel (or any other state) 'renounce violence'. It a totally unrealistic expectation.

The fact is that Hamas has been on ceasefire for some time now, and as I understand it, it's a ceasefire which they have largely adhered to.

If Israel took the steps which you mentioned then I think it would be a good idea for Hamas to reciprocate in some way. That is how progress gets made: you move, I move. Exactly what that reciprocal move should be is another matter. Recognising Israel's right to exist would be a positive step.
 
can someone point me to a news story, because I'm struggling to believe its happened so quietly
 
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