Palestenian-Israeli Conflict

Using that logic it's OK for the few remaining Celts in the UK and around the world to claim the UK as their own, and partition off the best part of it, leaving those of us not blessed with ginger hair to live in settlements.
 
Given the last fifty years of conflict, there clearly couldn't have been a worse solution. It was about as smart an idea as the partitioning of Ireland.


I believe they still have a strong case for disbandment of the state of Isreal, and with sanctions applied by the West it is a realistic objective. Whether they compromise is their choice.
 
Well speaking as someone who is predominantly Celtic (and who doesn't have ginger hair, which is a norse thing) then I have no problem with it at all. Send the English back to Germany!
 
That just isn't a practical option. There has to be a two-state solution.

The Jews in Israel aren't going to disappear, any more than the Arabs are.
There has to be a solution which is equitable to both sides. And that will require compromise by both sides.
 
Celts usualy had brown or Auburn hair , the ginger thing is a stereotype and is often a marker of Norse heritage. And no it's not right to partition off any section of the population in my view either, I saw the peace lines in Belfast at the time they were up a temporay solution that becomes a lasting problem.
 
If they see it that way, then they are wrong. Kind of like you seeing the American military being one of the weakest military forces in the world.

The facts don't change because of bias. Israel did not steal that land. They were given the land by the people that controlled the area. They were willing to settle for the partition. Their neighbors wanted it all and were willing to pick on what they saw as a weak country to get it and were surprised when they lost.
 
And you don't think that Hamas is a racist and terrorist group?

You really seem to focus on the triumvirate of evil in your eyes, Britain, America, and Israel.
 
The State of Israel is like a drunk that cant admit they have a drink problem, its obvious to all that they have a drink problem but they dont see it themselves.

Accept in the case of Israel the addiction is stealing the land of others and moving in settlers from Russia,

The land being the West Bank, Gazza the Golan Heights etc
 
I think he has already made it clear Medi. He wants the problem solved by the removing of the existance of Israel. He said he wants to go back to the pre 1947 borders.
 
And their neighbors problems are that they are stupid enough to keep attacking them because they want to lose land? I love the quote about the definition of insanity being that you keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.

Perhaps if they would stop attacking Israel, then Israel could give some of the land back like they are unilaterly trying to do?
 
Other than they are the only democratic state in the region, Arabs who are citizens of Israel have representation in the Knesset, and Israel does not engage in the willfull targeting of civilians for political gains...


Face it, we're not going anywhere. If the Palestinians do not come to the table, they'll wake up one day and the security fence will be the border.
 
if Israel is so keen to return the land they stole then why do they keep moving in so many european settlers ?
 
Israel wants peace. They do not want to exterminate the Palestinians.

The Nazis started WWII. They wanted to exterminate the Jews.

Israel has Arabs/Muslims in its borders who do better than Arabs in neiboring countries do. And they have the same rights as their Jewish neibors.

Israel is willing to recognize a Palestinian state. They have given the Sinai back to Egypt after Egypt invaded. They have removed all settlements in the Gaza Strip which now fully run by Palestinians. They were willing to go back to 1967 borders in 98? or 99? but Arafat walked away

The US has supported Muslims round the world. They give money to Saudia Arabai, Jordan, Pakistan, Egypt, UAE and Yemen. The Us has given relief to Muslims in Indonesia post tsunami and Iran & Pakistan after earthquakes.

Israel offered support to Iran and Pakistan after earthquakes hit respectively. They were turned down.

Muslims have more rights in the US and Europe than is Muslim countries. Osama Bin Laden's niece is in NYC pursuing a pop music career.
 
Israel has continues to offer up land for peace. So what if European settlers are in parts not given back.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/09/mideast/index.html


hmm an investigation? an apology? I guess an apology doesn't mean much with dead innocents, it doesn't but the reaction does not add up to someone who indiscrimatly kills innocents on purpose.
 
No it means that the US spends a lot of money on weapons.


The US collaborated with Nazis, supported the Irish Republican Army, has commited genocide, had an economy based on slavery, I could just go on forever with the list. However, in that respect they aren't any better or any worse than any other country. Every country has done many shameful things in its past (except perhaps Sweden), only a complete moron would imply that the entire nation should be held to account for that. Even Germany has moved on and they did a little more than just supporting the Nazis.




Oxford is a city, it has a two universities, a number of sixth form colleges and literally hundreds of schools (they're a bit like your universities), keep going you're really impressing everyone.
 
The German people elected Hitler, just as the Palestinians elected Hamas by a wide majority. The US and the UK bombed the hell out of German civilians during WWII to stop the Nazi regime. If it was ok to do it to the Nazis, why is it not ok for Israel to do it to Hamas? Moreover, unlike the night area raids conducted by the UK, or the daylight raids of the US, Israel actually targets specific terrorists and sometimes civilians are killed by accident. Based on the election results, it's clear the majority of Palestinians want to be governed by a terrorist group that has as it's official policy the destruction of Israel. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198919,00.html The official governing body of the Palestinians, elected by the overwhelming majority of Palestinian voters holds the specific targeting of Israeli citizens by homicide bombers to be not only a viable, but acceptable tactic to achieve it's larger political goals.

Now you tell me how the way I view the Palestinian people after the election of Hamas as being any different than the way many people outside the US view Americans after the re-election of GW Bush? How many people just on MAP viewed the election results as an indictment of the American people? Yet to say the same thing about the Palestinians is somehow taboo even though Hamas got a hell of a lot more than 50% of the vote? Do you even understand what the word 'consitent' means?





Your knowledge of Oxford is just spellbinding. However, I was referring to this school, the one everyone else on the planet refers to as Oxford.
http://www.ox.ac.uk/
 
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And based on your election results and following your logic the whole of the US is guilty of the butchering of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children in Iraq.



Your government invaded Iraq bombed the crap out of it's civilian population and destroyed the infrastructure when Iraq had no capability for harming the US and had never attacked the US. The Palestinians are being attacked by the Israeli's on a daily basis, to the point were entire units in the Israeli army are refusing to follow orders. The Palestinians are defending themselves, I don't approve of their tactics, but they are no different in effect to US tactics and the US has no justification for it's agression against Iraq. Like it or not the Palestinians aren't the bad guys in this scenario.



You aren't being criticised for attacking the Palestinians, you are being criticised for being consitently wrong.



Your inability to comprehend English (or do you prefer to call it American) is the outstanding thing here. I'm pretty sure you mean the university that's made up of colleges, so stop trying to be clever because that is out of your reach.
 
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