Palestenian-Israeli Conflict

Of course they didn't like it. Hamas's stated objective is the destruction of Israel and the reclamation of the whole terrority in the name of Islam. What should their reaction have been?

Anyone here read the Hamas Charter?
 
hint hint Al Qeida doesn't cater to Christans. This whole thing to started on the Pentagon strike and blaiming Israel for 9/11. Hint hint Christans also had nothing to do with 9/11
 
Ireland and Israel aren't the same. Its comparing apples and oranges although its closer than the homosexual comparison. keep trying!

Israel did not cause 9/11. That is the extent of my argument at this point in time. Israel is not being attacked by Christans or Buddhists or Hindus. It isn't being attacked by all Muslims or Arabs either.
 
But the Republicans do recognize England.

Hamas does not recognize Israel as a country. How can you negociate with an entity that does not even acknoledge that you exist.

If the sole purpose is to have a country, it could have happened in 1948. It could have happened after Oslo, it could have happened at Camp David. Why did Jordan and Egypt not create a country out of the WB or Gaza after they invaded and occupied those territories between 1948 and 1967? The only goal on the Arab wold viz-a-viz Israel is her complete destruction. The Palestinians only count as pawns. It should also be noted that prior to 1948, Palestinians refered to the Jewish inhabitants of the British Mandate. Between 1948 and the mid 1960s, there were nobody refered to as Palestinians, that is until an Egyptian terrorist called Arafat started using the term to refer to the Arabs in the WB and Gaza.
 
It's nice and convenient for someone in your stance to answer with questions rather than to deal with the issue at hand. No surprise there. I've heard this arguement a million times. It still doesn't wash.

Why not just start with Israel and their occupation of Palestinian land the one that happened in the century in which we live? The one issue that we are around during it's time to have an opinion on?
Naaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.... that'd be too much on topic and make too much sense.

We certainly can't go track down the Romans nor most of the Caliphates who rolled through the middle east - but we do know where the government of Israel is... we send them a fat check every month.



And as I've stated before the two are not mutually exclusive. But you've got to admit it'd be pretty hard for Hamas and other radical groups to go to war on Israel with the thrust of their arguement being stolen Palestinian land if somehow Israel was on an island in the middle of the pacific ocean no?



Please stop making blanket generalizations and stop trying to confuse the issue. No one is talking about the finer points of how muslims deal with other muslims. What has it got to do with Israel occupying Palestinian land?
Stop trying to grandstand on what the extreme do and try taking into account the average Palestinian who just wants to be able to put food on the table... if you can see the haze of your prejudice you might just realize they are very much like the average Israeli jew.





Again - run... don't walk.... and look up the meaning of mutually exclusive. It appears you're having a hard time grasping the concept. If the Israeli's hadn't taken and occupied Palestinian land then there wouldn't have really been a basis for all the other conflicts to fester the way they have. It's not that hard to figure out. If you're having trouble go back up and read the part about Israel being an island in the middle of the pacific and then see how your arguement washes.

err... it doesn't.



Nice slective reading... you make it sound as if each area nice and homogenous. Which it wasn't.




BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Developed when?
In the pre-Roman days?!?!?!?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please stop now. That is the most ludicrous thing I've seen on MAP in a very long time. Hilarious.

If on the other hand you mean the land that the Israeli's have occupied and then put money into while they were an occupying power. Well tough titty.
I won't bother explaining why that makes zero sense.






Were not talking about any other area of conflict. The influencing factors wouldn't be the same so their is no point in drawing an analogy with it.




Don't worry the others countries will sort themselves out in due course. But probably not before a lot more senseless bloodshed. Oh wait.. that reminds of the original subject.. Israel occupying Palestinian land.

Why should this get sorted ASAP? Because of the money that the US sends to Israel. Because of the instability it causes in the region. Because I'm sick of having to wade through the inane arguements as to why Israel should be allowed to continue to occupy land handed to them by Imperial Britain.




Obviously not... but again... (sigh) take a look at the Pacific Ocean... if there was an island in it and Israel was that Island... I really really doubt Hamas or any of there other groups would bother bombing the shizzle out of it. In fact I'd doubt they care one way or the other. In fact had Israel not been contrived by Imperial Britain then I don't think you'd find that most Palestinians would really give a rats ass what most Jews in the area did.

Again it underscores that religion/culture and land issues are not mutually exclusive... but there certainly wouldn't be the bloody mess there is in Israel if they weren't on Palestinian land now would there?
 
I would expect them to try to move forward, the Palestinians want peace, Hamas are expected to push that agenda, if they dont they will find themselves under fire from their own side. Hamas havn't carried out any bombings in recent months (if they have its slipped right past my radar), so why wont Israel sit down with them and at least talk about a realistic long term solution? They havn't even tried thus far.
 
Because Hamas' long term solution is to destruction of Israel. The conflict is far less about the Plestinians' right of having their own country as it is about the destruction of Israel and the expulsion of all Jews from the Middle East. Much is said abot the movement of 750,000 Palestinians around 1948, far less is said about the movement of as many Jews from Arab countries where they had lived for centuries. As I said before, if it was only about a country, That could have been acheived at any time in the past 60 years, including at the exact same time as Israel became a country.
 
the way forward is clear, the Israeli's must withdraw from all occupied land, then perhaps there can be some peace.
 
The ball is in Hamas's court on the negotiating front...even as we speak. They are stalling over the new document which backs a two state solution based on 1967 borders, as that would require them to recognise the Israeli state and renounce their campaign of violence. This is in spite of polls showing Palestinian support for the two state solution and Abbas's intention to put the issue to a referendum if there is no agreement. A referendum which, knowing they would most likely lose, they have already dubbed "illegal".
 
Hamas are currently on the edge of rejecting the possibilty of a solution based on exactly that. They have until 9pm tonight to accept it so we'll have to wait and see.


Oh hold on, when you say "Occupied Land" are you referring to the entire state of Israel?
 
Don't hold your breath waiting for a response. Sakaku's hit-and-run style of posting unsubstantiated rhetoric is well established. The best we can hope for is a quick post later on to tell us we're all brainwashed pawns of Western Imperialism.
 
Yes, I've noticed that!

But I am a firm believer that everyone has the inalienable right to be given enough rope.....
 
Theres only so much you can expect from a guy who uses the modern day equivalent of Hitler as his avatar.
 
Can anyone explain to me why it was ok for Israel to be formed in the first place? I can't for the life of me work it out, as far as I can tell the Israeli's turned up in 1948 and with the support of the UN and Brittish troops they threw out the Palestinians who lived in the area.

What was the justification for it? Where there many jews living in that area before 1948?
 
its hard to say really, i think that there was some collective european guilt regarding the Holocaust.
 
It was to do with the Zionist movement. They saw Israel, or what became Israel, as the Promised Land. This was on the back of the Holocaust and general persecution.

From what I understand, there were both Jews and Arabs living in the area prior to 1948. They were living in relative harmony.
 
Since when has 'OK' ever been a reason for anything that countries do? You might as well ask whether it was 'OK' for the USA to be founded, or the USSR. These things happen.

But as for the dull facts of the matter, there were always some Jews living in the area, but extensive Jewish immigration only started towards the end of the nineteenth century.

The UN and the British didn't support 'throwing' anyone out. But it's too much of a big, complex subject to tell the whole story in a post. If you are interested then I suggest you read up on the history.

And don't trust anyone who thinks that there is a simple solution.
 
Its all about compromise, neither side is going to get it all, it just doesn't work like that, they need to sit down and hammer out an agreement that allows both sides to exist peacefully alongside each other.
 
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