parents and non parents.

It would be a true statement. and I wouldnt have minded it. Lots of people do earn karate belts. Fact. Especially lower ones. (we spoke here before about the high percentage of drop outs.) I wouldnt have bashed them for stating a fact.

It really isnt the same. I wasnt gonna say it. But guess i'll have to say why. Earning a belt takes skill and work and training, and, yes, even ability and intelligence.

Whereas having a kid really takes nothing more than having your biological functions work properly and then not using BC. A meathead could do it.
 
No it doesn't.

Belts are given out for various reasons and those reasons don't have to always be due to skill or ability. Half the time they can be gained be simply turning up and paying your dues.



A grade can often just require playing copy cat without real thought, a meathead could do it.

Not all Dojo are equal nor are all systems.

Duck and dodge all you want but you were out of line and acted like a jerk.
 
Of course not.

That would mean her having to apply some value to the role and I think it would just shake the world view she has created for herself too much.


Much easier to disparage and deride something you feel uncomfortable with, rather than deal with the whys and hows of it all.
 
Really? I thought it was about turning up to a club a few times a week and learning a few moves. Dedication. Yes! But getting belts is hardly the most challenging thing in the world for most people. Admittedly there's exceptions (BJJ) and belts get harder to get as you go up in level but I think you're putting way too much value on them.

(That's not to say having kids is hard either).
 
i've been bouncing in and out of this thread now. and admittedly have lost much of the context. but this is an asinine statement.

look, i don't have a problem with you not wanting kids. or you not liking kids. and i agreed with you earlier in this thread when you said that it's ridiculous to say that people without kids don't get having kids. fine.

first of all, ALL martial arts belts are total cow manure. i don't care what art it's in, it's a purely subjective thing. at the end of the day, means absolutely nothing. whoever tells you that a martial arts belt means anything in reality is lying to you. and if you think your belt means something outside of the dojo, you're lying to yourself.

sure, any meathead can stick his penis into a vagina. having the kid, raising the kid (even poorly) actually does take work. a kid is a tangible thing, whose life is going to affect other lives. reality.

young children bother you so much?
 
I love how this thread descended from an argument of whether having children means you can understand parenting to whether or not you can understand the Holocaust.
 
A non parent can come close to understanding being a parent. Nothing can trult make you understand what going through the Shoah was like.
 
Concentration camps were brought up in this thread a few times.

I'm not making a comment one way or the other about what we can understand. All l am saying is that I find it kind of funny that the comparison made.
 
i don't think it's funny. it's actually beyond asinine. i mean come on people. how the hell did one society's genocide of a group of people even get brought up?
 
Nope, I dont have any value to simply having sex without BC. I apply value to yes actually raising them, I think you would agree that lots of people have kids but shouldn't.

But BECOMING a parent? Naw. I don't. Like was said, a meathead can stick a penis into a vagina. Or a female meathead can allow a penis to come into her vagina without BC.
 
Hey lefty.

I think my post requires some clarification from what you have written. Yes, I did mean it comes down to the level of reaction and in other ways it does not.

Let’s start with the ways it does not, and I’ll compare things to homophobia since it’s been brought up in the thread. People can have a hatred or intolerance of gay people without having it outwardly affecting any person. It can mostly be done by simply avoiding anyone you know to be gay and keeping your mouth shut and putting on a poker face when there is someone around who is gay and not making any homophobic comments when around people who you are not sure of their sexual orientation. But this doesn’t stop you from feeling of hatred towards homosexual people, it just means you can hide it well. And to my mind this is still an issue that can be improved with appropriate action. It’s a form of self improvement that you can choose to undertake yourself and knowingly remove hatred and stress from your life. Call me a hippy or whatever but that’s how I feel.

But often it’s not possible to hide this completely. When things get to the extent where you do things such as physically move away from openly homosexual people, make negative comments about gay marriage or just get a sour look on your face when the topic comes up then it start to effect the people who simply see your negative reaction. And you get an identifiable negative reaction even when the actions of homosexual people have no effect on our homophobic example.


Now I’m just using homophobia simply as an example of a form of intolerance. I can understand people not wanting to hold children people they can be a poop-machine, but that is something different to an active and very obvious dislike of children as Blade seems to be demonstrating.

And when I use the term aggressive (homophobia etc) I don’t mean physical aggression. I mean acts such as going out of your way to let people know the level of your dislike as Blade seems to be doing, such as going into a thread about celebrating a new birth and expression dislike there rather than letting things lie.

If people are making out in a room (there is a child at a family get together) then you can politely move yourself to another part of the room or distract yourself with something else. This is not aggressive. But if you the same thing but add a comment very audible comment such as “that’s disgusting” or “EEEwwwww” then that is what I could call aggressive. This is not required and take more energy and effort on your part to make sure others know that you find something abhorrent rather than simply letting it be.

I hope this makes some sort of sense.
 
It was used as an analogy of personal experience (being there) compared to intellectual experience (not being there but writing a textbook on it).
 
And used as an example on how one can understand what the experience was actually like by reading books written about the event. Asinine does not quite describe it.
 
so I guess you said to said historians you spoke to that they dont understand anything and never will even after their years and years of study and expertise only because they didnt live through it?

That is quite arrogant and condescending and ignores all of their studies.

Btw Im reading an artiicle about a parent who's kid pulled the red fire alarm and evacuated the whole school, got the firefighters out and everything and there wasnt even a fire. while in kindergarten and he said its at eye level and what was i supposed to do? walk past it? And his mom defended him.

and everyone else was criticizing the parent because she blamed it on the school. Because the fire alarm was at eye level. Not saying it was her son`s mistake and not teaching him about dont pull unless there`s a fire.

But - they dont know or understand, because they dont have kiiiids, right?

Your darn right I am angry when people say we dont and cant EVER understand anything because we never had kids. I say Bite me to those people.
 
I went back through the thread. Blade did not compare herself or the reaction childfree people get to the discrimination gay people face. Homophobia was brought up as a comparison by Grass Hopper on page 2 who compared the reactions blade has had to his own experiences of being discriminated against for being gay. Blade did not suggest the two were comparable.
 
But, Im apparently akin to a racist and a homophobe. Gimmie a king size break! Said people can bite me again.
 
Your prejudice gets close to the same level of intensity.

Like it or not you are prejudiced and possibly discriminatory, I don't know what you are like day to day, towards a certain section of society.

We all have prejudices about lots of things, most of us have those change due to exposure, but it becomes a problem when you are offensive and also don't seem to give a damn that you are.
 
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