Ok first of all I don't even have a vcr or vcr tapes anymore. We have blu ray players and dvd players. But we have gotten used to the dvr with the satellite but have gotten tired of the bill changing up so we have dropped the dish and only get our kocal channels now. But I am missing shows cause I have no way of recording. I have looked at the dvd recorder vcr combos and was told that is only to convert the vcr tapes to dvds. Then I looked at the dvd recorder and was told I couldn't use it to record off tv like we did with a vcr. Is this true? Can you use the dvd recorder vcr combo or the dvd recorder to record off the tv? Before any says get a tivo that isn't possible. You have to get a package and uses internet and wifi which I don't have.