Your .02 on anti-immigration laws.

lol - this thread is gonna have bit for eveyrone.

Wild Pitch -

You mean to say that there is a big uproar against Arabs coming illegally to the US?
As far as I'm aware that's not really much of a problem. Even less so in comparison to illegal workers from Latin American countries.

There isn't really much of an illegal Muslim population filtering into the US either.

Did you have any particular cases in mind?
 
Excuse me? So disagreeing with you is now racsist?




BULL !

We've adopted language and traditons from every part of the planet. It's the only way this works. By your thinking I need to learn Chinese, Japanese, Tagalog, Spainsh, French etc... Just so I can communicate with whoever I happen to run into. EVERYONE that has come over here has learned English, every other immigrant group, why are we supposed to change our language for one particular group? Should I be able to go to France and demand they speak English?






Bich smack yourself, Yes it is, it is a regular practice and they don't try to hide it as it's acceptable in their culture. Do you live around a great deal of Latino immigrants there, GC?
I do, as a matter of fact they are NOT a minority here.
 
Bwahahahaaaa!! Bad example dude, really bad example! Why do you think the French are so arsy about refusing to speak English?!

Overall I would say that English speakers generally are the worst culprits for going places and not bothering to speak the language. We just assume that everyone speaks English and that's it. From the UK in particular, we visit France, we work in Germany and the Middle East, we emmigrate to the Costa Del Sol, and we dont bother to learn the language. If you were to get a Greek or a Spaniard go into a shop over here and speak their own language loudly and slowly as if you're an idiot and expect to get served they'd be booted out! Yet we go all over the world and expect others to do just that.
 
sorry they are on the, *be afraid of the brown people list* due to the fact they are all terrorist of course, not because they are immigrating illegally.
 
Times are changing. Especially with the Lation population explosion in the US. And I mean just the legal population explosion.... there is an absolutely massive Lation middle-class in California - other states are not far behind - especially not if your in the South West, Chicago or New York.

This means language trends will continue to change... which means that you're going to see more and more Spanish speaking going on all over the place. In California it's pretty much been since ever that Spanish was a very close second to english... I don't think it's going to be that way for long... it will soon be the other way around.
 
ah ok... I get ya.
yeah... imagine... all of that hysteria in a country where people generally tell Muslims from Sikhs. Go figure.

First it was the Communists... then it was them Mexicans...
now it's them damn Muslims...

(Surely I've missed out tons of other groups)
 
Smidgeon of history: Arizona was part of Mexico before it was a US territory. Before that it was Indian land. Navajo and Apache, for example, as well as Spanish, were spoken here before the White American Settler even found the place. Arizona came into the US via a purchase. The US bought the land from Mexico. There were people living on the land, and not all of those people spoke English. A whole lot of them spoke Spanish because hey, this was part of Mexico. Those people taught Spanish to their children, and they kept in touch with family on the other side of the arbitrary line in the dirt, and so on through the generations. Spanish never left the State.



^^ A point worth repeating. Their money and their labor helps everybody.

#2 worth repeating: The people are here because something is SO BAD in Mexico that they're willing to walk across a freaking desert in July to get here, at the pain of literal death if they fail, or prison if they succeed. Duh, neither laws nor physical welfare are detering them because it is THAT bad Mexico.

So, with points #1 and #2 on my mind, I ask, what should the law be?
 
Oh I hear ya...
The same could be said for much of the Southwest.
My family comes directly from that entire experience.
Jicarilla Apache from New Mexico and Colorado moved onto a Ute reservation.

Strangely enough many of my family members even though born speaking Spanish have no great love of the Spanish. They were seen as brutal and corrupt slave owners. Much the same can be said for what they thought of many whites.
 
Spanish people were seen as white people, they took over Mexico and wiped out ancient cultral belief systems. I think, I got this from a Channel 4 documentary very interesting actually.
 
slip and gang you two are the most egotistical sob's i have ever seen. since you are obviously highly educated you 2 believe you know it all so why don't you go to the thread that asks about knowing it all because that is were you two belong
 
If you can't pick up the ball, don't bitch that you can't play.


Though, I'm still not sure why either of them stand on the line of not doing things the right way..

Yeah Gangrel.. Lady Liberty in NYC does say bring on your hopeless masses, but alot of those hopeless masses stayed on Ellis island, filled out the proper paperwork, learned to speak the common language of the land.. The majority didn't sneak across the international line like they do today. They did things the right way, as opposed to the border jumpers that undermine the very laws and foundations we base our society on...
 
Disagree with you there. Just because I may not agree 100% with slip, Gangrel or Aiki, their opinions (at least to me) are just as valid to this discussion. I know they disagree with me, that's cool. Maybe nothing I say will change how they feel. That's cool. Maybe nothing they say will change my mind. That's cool too, at least we are trying to discuss this.

Again, I am all for legal immigration. Legal being the keyword. I'm not saying our system is perfect, but it is our system. Don't like it, work for change.

As for the whole English language thing, personally, I think if you are going to live and work here, you should learn to speak English. If you speak another language, that's great! Fantastic! Keep on speaking it whenever you want. But learn to speak English too. I can get by on basic Spanish, enough to get mmy point across, but my wife can't. And why should she? She didn't immigrate to Mexico, she immigrated to the USA. But, I encourage her to teach our daughter Hindi and help me work on my Japanese (she speaks 5 languages fluently and smatterings of 6 or 7 others).

But I digress.

I don't agree with the current situation. I don't have all the answers either. I have opinions like everyone else. Some based on emotion, some based on facts. Give me facts, and I might change my opinion. Or not.
 
Here is what I see as right, apply for a visa, come here, work, apply for citizenship, jump the hoops by learning english, learning history, learning the ways of our governmental system.

Heres the bad way, sneak across a border, demand rights, go to the hospital and force taxpayers to pay for your healthcare, send your kids to our schools and demand translators, demand translators and free healthcare in clinics and emergency rooms, have your 'anchor' babies here and get a free ticket to citizenship, all the while sucking off the teat of american taxpayers.

There is no way an illegal alien can contribute more than he takes from our society. I for one don't want our country, as messed up at times as it is, to become a third world hellhole that some of these other countries have become. And thats just what we're heading for if something isn't done.

I say fine the employers, fine the landlords, deport those illegals you find, end the anchor baby amendment, stop giving entitlements to these people who are here breaking the law.

And tell me whats right about this, american veterans benefits are getting cut, while millions of dollars are being handed out to pay for illegal alien healthcare. Tell me in what universe this is right.
 
I won't answer that, but slip said it the best earlier in this thread...






No, they all don't speak English. It is quite common, whether you like it or not, for even legal immigrants to not bother learning English, moving into an area where they can live with people form thier countries of origin, and they get by just fine. I have several now-deceased relatives who spoke only Italian and never learned a word of English, and they survived just fine, thank you very much. Even here in little Lancaster, PA, we have groups of immigrants from Cambodia, Africa (various nations), Vietnam, Laos, and various Latin American countries. But hey, I grew up outside of NYC, so these little cultural gatherings hardly surprise me.




Yup, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Dominican, and many of my classmates in high school were Cuban, Nicaraguan, Salvadorian, etc. And I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment of their values. Oh, yeah, and I lived in Arizona for a while too.
 
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